Kristine: You need to lay off the pipe.
Cecelia: Been saying it since the campaign David Wake up everybody !!!
Robin: You're saying everything that every conservative screamed was going to happen. But, people were so gaga over his charm and being responsible for electing the 1st black president that they ignored the warning signs. Honestly, I could careless about his skin color. He could be purple for all I care. Bottom line is even the Cubans were warning he was just like Castro.... I'm really hoping people wake up before it's too late. He has all ready done a lot of damage to our country - between apologizing to other countries/leaders, bowing to other leaders, destroying the economy, reigniting race problems, creating so much anger and bitterness between conservatives and liberals, and the list goes on and on.
Kristine: Here's an idea. How about people give to charities b/c it's the right thing to do, not because of a tax break.
David: Kristine, he's not robbing the rich here, he's robbing the poor. Here's a better idea Kristine. Obama is a democrat, right? The "supposed" party of compassion for the downtrodden and indigent. How about he reinforce the concept of people giving of their own free will in during an economic time where they themselves are struggling to survive economically, show HIS appreciation for the goodness in their hearts by NOT PUNISHING THEM FOR GIVING WITH PREVIOUSLY, BEFORE OBAMA, UNTAXED MONEY.
The whole concept is insane. He's shooting an arrow dead center into the heart of that which he says he cares the most about, the poor, the indigent, the needy. It HAS to be purposeful, no doubt about it. It's too contrary to helping out the poor, indigent, needy. If they can't depend on the charities, what's their only other option? The government. You know the mantra of his extreme socialism ideology.
He's not robbing the so-called "rich" here, he's robbing the poor. People who give a certain percentage of their income to charity will still give that percentage, but because of their income being lower, due to Obama's FAILED economic policies, the percentage amount in dollars is lower. Then here comes along Obama like some mafia dude. "Hey, you are going to have to give ME 35% of what you set aside for the poor, needy, handicapped, indigent to me, Obama, the government!!" The charitable people only have so much to give. So, they take the same amount, send 35% of that amount that would have gone to the needy and mail it off to Obama. So, he can take it and send it to his union buddies' jobs.
Most liberals probably wouldn't understand robbing the needy though, nor care. In the same year that Dick Cheney donated 83% of his income to charity, over $600,000,000 to inner city charities. Obama only gave 7%. Although, the average conservative makes 17% less income than the average liberal, the average conservative gives 30% more their lesser income to charity than liberals do.
My ex-wife is director of a charity fund that pays the hospital bills of the poor which they themselves cannot pay. She said they've already been taking a beating because people have less to give in the Obama economy. NOW, he's going to pile-on in undermining charities, people giving from the goodness of their hearts by saying, "Wait a minute take 35% of that money you set aside to give the poor and give it to me, the government!" That's taking the money from the poor, NOT the rich Kristine. They were giving the money anyway, Obama's just funneling a third of it off the top of what the needy would have received.
Kristine, if smoking the pipe, means don't be upset that our president would pass a bill to rob 1/3 of the money set aside by people for the sake of the poor, handicapped, ill, dying, needy? Then I'll keep smoking it. Perhaps, you yourself might need to invest in a heart and hit the pipe yourself, if you don't "get" this one.
He's taking money out of the mouths of the poor on this one. Insane. Isn't that the reason he said we had to have Obamacare??!! To protect the poor who can't pay for medical care??!! Then he turns around and sticks a dagger in the heart of the whole mechanism that pays the poor's hospital bills?
This move is purposeful in his constant push towards socialism. Undermine, the goodness of charitable hearts, giving and level of benefits received by the poor from their fellow man. So, the poor have no choice but to go to the government and be owned by the government. This one could not be more transparent!! In Obama's push towards "government dependence," socialism!!!
How about eliminating the "safe deposit box" write off instead??!! Who care's about that one. The only reason they give it to you, is so they'll know if you have one that they can plunder if your are stupid enough to take the deduction.
Of ALL the tax breaks Obama could have attacked. He chose THE ONLY ONE THAT SERVES TO EASE HUMAN SUFFERING. He could have eliminated the tax breaks that allowed his best-friend buddy, Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of General Electric, to earn $14.2 BILLION in PROFIT and PAY ZERO DOLLARS IN TAXES!! OR corporate jet tax breaks that benefit his other best-friend buddy Warren Buffett WHO OWNS A FLEET OF CORPORATE JETS! NO, Obama decides to take one third of the money going to the poor, needy, handicapped, indigent people of America! Like I said, "This dude is evil!" He put his own buddy's best profit interests over the suffrage of humanity of his own people.
This is just one more example of what I always, always say about liberal thinking in their created policies. They possess only, "shallow, surface level thinking" and possess absolutely no "Big Picture" thought processes. The hard core liberal's are thinking, "Yes! Yes! One more way to plunder the 'rich' and punish them for working hard and being successful!! Yes, I love it!! Uh....uh... I'm having an orgasm over this!"
Never once do they stop to think the truth in it all. The 'rich' who actually give, will simply give 1/3 less to charity, because Obama and the liberals stole the other 1/3 for themselves. As ALWAYS! Liberal policy ALWAYS serves to undermine the causes they claim are their core values, purpose for existence. This liberal attack on charitable deductions just reveals the truth in the pure fallacy and damaging impact of liberalism on those they "claim" to care the most for. The needy, the under-priviledge, the handicapped, the indigent. This is the most transparent issue that could ever be found to reveal the true damning nature of liberalism on our poor, needy, handicapped, indigent fellow Americans.
At a time in how history where the highest level of poverty ever recorded in this nation exists. Obama and the liberals choose to plunder the coffers of the poor, needy, handicapped and indigent.
Where do you think that $400 BILLION stolen from the poor, needy, indigent will be directed by Obama? To union jobs... the people he's mentioned... union teachers, union laborers, union government workers... cronies of his like Solyndra Solar Energy company that he gave a HALF-BILLION DOLLARS, of our hard earned tax dollars to, that filed bankruptcy two years later. How do you legitimately lose a half-billion dollars in two years without a lot of personal pockets being lined with incredible wealth, stolen from our own pockets, "we the people." The same unions that cut train brake lines on the west coast this week. Because, they were mad a particular company rejected them. Obama's friends!! He sues an American company like Boeing to keep them from giving jobs to people in South Carolina, because he wants those jobs given to his union buddies.
While the soup lines have swollen to historical records. Obama and his liberals have chosen to rob the pantries of the the soup lines. In attacking the "charitable deductions" that provide the fuel for those food lines and make the poor, needy, indigent people's in those lines, lives a better human existence.
The truth in all of it is. That no free society should ever have their government create a policy that in any way has the ability to impede a member of it's society's ability to express full value of financial charitability in their hearts. To their fellow downtrodden, handicapped, poor, disadvantaged fellow man in their shared society. American charity is one of the things that has always defined us as such a great nation. The "charitable deduction" allowed in our tax code, should be the ONE AREA THAT'S NOT EVEN ON THE TABLE to be negatively effected. Obama's choosing a government policy that equates to stealing money from the poor is not only wrong! It's socially appalling!!
Does it get more heinous? Sad... Pathetic... :(
Judith: I believe you are right on target. Just can't for the life of me figure out what to do about it. Since we can't trust any politician Republican or Democrat, we are all on a boat without a paddle, and a storm is brewing.
David: No Judith, the democrats on the streets are "seeing the light." They are backing away from Obama. They see Obama is destroying their own democrat party, even going against their own belief systems. We saw this in the two special elections that occurred this week. When a district turns it back on democrats and votes republican for the first time in 89 years. That's HUGE in statement about the democrats on the streets opinion of the destruction Obama is serving our nation. Despite however the liberal pundits want to spin it. Both elections, said the same thing. "WE ARE DEMOCRATS AND WE HAVE HAD IT WITH OBAMA!!" Democrat Senators like Jim Webb, etc. are backing away from Obama. They are starting to "see the light," FINALLY!!
They have no choice but to back away from him, because he's destroying the integrity of their whole political party. This attack on "charitable deductions" will even reveal itself to any reasonable thinking democrat, themselves. "What?! You want to impeded, siphon off a third of charitable deductions in taxes that are meant to do directly to help the poor, indigent, living in poverty, handicapped members of our society??!! All in the highest time of American poverty that's ever been recorded in our country?! YOU ARE FRICKING INSANE!! I need to back away from your hard and rapidly!! You truly DO want to destroy this country and it's economic viability!!"No Judith, the democrats on the streets are "seeing the light." They are backing away from Obama. They see Obama is destroying their own democrat party, even going against their own belief systems. We saw this in the two special elections that occurred this week. When a district turns it back on democrats and votes republican for the first time in 89 years. That's HUGE in statement about the democrats on the streets opinion of the destruction Obama is serving our nation. Despite however the liberal pundits want to spin it. Both elections, said the same thing. "WE ARE DEMOCRATS AND WE HAVE HAD IT WITH OBAMA!!" Democrat Senators like Jim Webb, etc. are backing away from Obama. They are starting to "see the light," FINALLY!!
They have no choice but to back away from him, because he's destroying the integrity of their whole political party. This attack on "charitable deductions" will even reveal itself to any reasonable thinking democrat, themselves. "What?! You want to impeded, siphon off a third of charitable deductions in taxes that are meant to do directly to help the poor, indigent, living in poverty, handicapped members of our society??!! All in the highest time of American poverty that's ever been recorded in our country?! YOU ARE FRICKING INSANE!! I need to back away from your hard and rapidly!! You truly DO want to destroy this country and it's economic viability!!"Judith: I hope you are right bet I remain skeptical.David: This "charitable deduction" attack strikes dead in the heart of why liberals claim to exist. I believe this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back with a lot of democrats. This issue is where you will see the reasonable thinking, well intentioned democrats, will separate from the left wing loons.
"We exists to support and protect the disadvantaged, poor, handicapped, impoverished forgotten members of our society. Now our great leader just shot an arrow directly in the heart of a social structured mechanism that accomplishes EXACTLY what we are all about, our mantra. Protecting and supporting the needy, impoverished, disadvantaged, handicapped, etc."
Think about it Judith, what is the core most coveted aspect of government to democrats. What they fight tooth and nail for? Entitlements! Exactly, why do they think entitlements are so important? To support and help our lowest members of soceity, the handicapped, the impoverished, the needy, the disadvantaged of American society. Now think about how Obama's choice of siphoning tax dollars off of money people give of their own free-will and personal sacrifice to help the needy, impoverished, disadvantaged, handicapped, etc." He's attacking and serving to deprive exactly those that the democrats believe entitlements are so necessary to serve. he doesn't hurt the rich people with this one, he just diverts a third of the poor peoples money, given from the good in charitable American's hearts, away from the American impoverished, needy, poor, downtrodden, handicapped to his government to redistribute to his union labor pals and political cronies. This money isn't coming out of the rich people's pockets, it's coming out of the poor people's pockets.
I've never seen a man shoot himself in the foot as many times as Obama has. Even his advisers should have caught this one. This one issue, has totally uncloaked who Barrack Obama truly is and his intentions to be served on our nations. It's socially appalling in concept to any reasonable American, regardless of party, to serve policy that siphons off money for the government, from money members of society who have chosen to contribute of their own free will and of their own fruits of labor to help the most downtrodden elements of our society. The impoverished, needy, poor, handicapped. How COULD a liberal NOT SEE the total socially appalling nature of this "charitable deduction" Obama situation?! His choice in attacking charitable deductions that serve totally all that liberals believe in, goes against everything they believe in!
Judith: I hope you are right bet I remain skeptical.
David: This "charitable deduction" attack strikes dead in the heart of why liberals claim to exist. I believe this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back with a lot of democrats. This issue is where you will see the reasonable thinking, well intentioned democrats, will separate from the left wing loons.
"We exists to support and protect the disadvantaged, poor, handicapped, impoverished forgotten members of our society. Now our great leader just shot an arrow directly in the heart of a social structured mechanism that accomplishes EXACTLY what we are all about, our mantra. Protecting and supporting the needy, impoverished, disadvantaged, handicapped, etc."
Think about it Judith, what is the core most coveted aspect of government to democrats. What they fight tooth and nail for? Entitlements! Exactly, why do they think entitlements are so important? To support and help our lowest members of soceity, the handicapped, the impoverished, the needy, the disadvantaged of American society. Now think about how Obama's choice of siphoning tax dollars off of money people give of their own free-will and personal sacrifice to help the needy, impoverished, disadvantaged, handicapped, etc." He's attacking and serving to deprive exactly those that the democrats believe entitlements are so necessary to serve. he doesn't hurt the rich people with this one, he just diverts a third of the poor peoples money, given from the good in charitable American's hearts, away from the American impoverished, needy, poor, downtrodden, handicapped to his government to redistribute to his union labor pals and political cronies. This money isn't coming out of the rich people's pockets, it's coming out of the poor people's pockets.
I've never seen a man shoot himself in the foot as many times as Obama has. Even his advisers should have caught this one. This one issue, has totally uncloaked who Barrack Obama truly is and his intentions to be served on our nations. It's socially appalling in concept to any reasonable American, regardless of party, to serve policy that siphons off money for the government, from money members of society who have chosen to contribute of their own free will and of their own fruits of labor to help the most downtrodden elements of our society. The impoverished, needy, poor, handicapped.
How COULD a liberal NOT SEE the total socially appalling nature of this "charitable deduction" Obama situation?! His choice in attacking charitable deductions that serve totally all that liberals believe in, goes against everything they believe in!
Hell, my best guess is that more than half of the charity organizations out there are actually owned and/or run by democrats, liberals for the same reason they are democrats. Their compassion for the disadvantaged in society. Which means their leader, Obama, is undermining their whole reason for being a democrat in the first place. Entitlements for the disadvantaged from their sense of compassion. This move of Obama's is just pure socially appalling for all Americans except the nut-bags. How could it not be. Robbing the poor??
Think about it! Aside from the obvious human support charities like Red Cross, American Way, Homeless shelters, battered wife shelters, battered children shelters, food banks, American Cancer Society, Fallen Heroes charities for families of killed military members, etc.
Think about the animal rights and conservation charities. SPCA, Greenpeace, PETA, Humane Society, ACLU, Sierra Club, legal defense funds, clean river charities, on and on and on. A lot of those charities are actually the personal pets of Obama's hardcore base. The far left.
The truth is that for Obama to start taxing Charitable deductions, siphoning off charity contributions to pay for his guaranteed to fail "jobs bill." He steps on the toes of every single American, poor, rich, all in between and politically far left to far right and all in between in their important areas of compassion for humans, animals, the earth. Not one American who gives a dollar to a charity, or receives a dollar of charity of ANY sort will be unaffected in the undermining of the cause they choose to support in charity. By the reduction of available charity funds in an economy where charities are already struggling to survive, through Obama siphoning tax funds off the top of the charity contributions to use to pay for his "jobs bill" which will go to jobs that benefit the unions and union members who support him. You really think a non-unionized private school teacher is going to have their job saved by Obama's jobs bill?
This is one issue where he negatively effects ALL of American society. By attacking the ONE place he should have never even allowed to be on the table. Americans giving from their hearts and sacrificing by choice of their hard earned fruits of labor to all things that make our lives better places in humanity and environment. Obama stealing from the poor, the handicapped, the sick, the disadvantaged, downtrodden, to give to the unions, his buddies.
If you allow your leader to create laws and policies that impugn, cripple and destroy charity organizations. You leave your people and society in a position of no place else to turn, but government. Which brings us back full circle to the core belief system that drives our leader and directs all of his policy, regulations and proposed bills. A core belief system of Socialism. No other explanation for choosing to create a policy to attack the funds of charities. When he has thousands of other options to use to raise funds for his same old, same old, stimulus package "jobs bill" to create jobs for his union buddies.
It's pathetic and actually quite heartbreaking watching the continual damage this "leader" inflicts on our lives and our worlds.
THINK ABOUT IT!
They have no choice but to back away from him, because he's destroying the integrity of their whole political party. This attack on "charitable deductions" will even reveal itself to any reasonable thinking democrat, themselves. "What?! You want to impeded, siphon off a third of charitable deductions in taxes that are meant to do directly to help the poor, indigent, living in poverty, handicapped members of our society??!! All in the highest time of American poverty that's ever been recorded in our country?! YOU ARE FRICKING INSANE!! I need to back away from your hard and rapidly!! You truly DO want to destroy this country and it's economic viability!!"
They have no choice but to back away from him, because he's destroying the integrity of their whole political party. This attack on "charitable deductions" will even reveal itself to any reasonable thinking democrat, themselves. "What?! You want to impeded, siphon off a third of charitable deductions in taxes that are meant to do directly to help the poor, indigent, living in poverty, handicapped members of our society??!! All in the highest time of American poverty that's ever been recorded in our country?! YOU ARE FRICKING INSANE!! I need to back away from your hard and rapidly!! You truly DO want to destroy this country and it's economic viability!!"
"We exists to support and protect the disadvantaged, poor, handicapped, impoverished forgotten members of our society. Now our great leader just shot an arrow directly in the heart of a social structured mechanism that accomplishes EXACTLY what we are all about, our mantra. Protecting and supporting the needy, impoverished, disadvantaged, handicapped, etc."
Think about it Judith, what is the core most coveted aspect of government to democrats. What they fight tooth and nail for? Entitlements! Exactly, why do they think entitlements are so important? To support and help our lowest members of soceity, the handicapped, the impoverished, the needy, the disadvantaged of American society. Now think about how Obama's choice of siphoning tax dollars off of money people give of their own free-will and personal sacrifice to help the needy, impoverished, disadvantaged, handicapped, etc." He's attacking and serving to deprive exactly those that the democrats believe entitlements are so necessary to serve. he doesn't hurt the rich people with this one, he just diverts a third of the poor peoples money, given from the good in charitable American's hearts, away from the American impoverished, needy, poor, downtrodden, handicapped to his government to redistribute to his union labor pals and political cronies. This money isn't coming out of the rich people's pockets, it's coming out of the poor people's pockets.
I've never seen a man shoot himself in the foot as many times as Obama has. Even his advisers should have caught this one. This one issue, has totally uncloaked who Barrack Obama truly is and his intentions to be served on our nations. It's socially appalling in concept to any reasonable American, regardless of party, to serve policy that siphons off money for the government, from money members of society who have chosen to contribute of their own free will and of their own fruits of labor to help the most downtrodden elements of our society. The impoverished, needy, poor, handicapped. How COULD a liberal NOT SEE the total socially appalling nature of this "charitable deduction" Obama situation?! His choice in attacking charitable deductions that serve totally all that liberals believe in, goes against everything they believe in!
Judith: I hope you are right bet I remain skeptical.
David: This "charitable deduction" attack strikes dead in the heart of why liberals claim to exist. I believe this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back with a lot of democrats. This issue is where you will see the reasonable thinking, well intentioned democrats, will separate from the left wing loons.
"We exists to support and protect the disadvantaged, poor, handicapped, impoverished forgotten members of our society. Now our great leader just shot an arrow directly in the heart of a social structured mechanism that accomplishes EXACTLY what we are all about, our mantra. Protecting and supporting the needy, impoverished, disadvantaged, handicapped, etc."
Think about it Judith, what is the core most coveted aspect of government to democrats. What they fight tooth and nail for? Entitlements! Exactly, why do they think entitlements are so important? To support and help our lowest members of soceity, the handicapped, the impoverished, the needy, the disadvantaged of American society. Now think about how Obama's choice of siphoning tax dollars off of money people give of their own free-will and personal sacrifice to help the needy, impoverished, disadvantaged, handicapped, etc." He's attacking and serving to deprive exactly those that the democrats believe entitlements are so necessary to serve. he doesn't hurt the rich people with this one, he just diverts a third of the poor peoples money, given from the good in charitable American's hearts, away from the American impoverished, needy, poor, downtrodden, handicapped to his government to redistribute to his union labor pals and political cronies. This money isn't coming out of the rich people's pockets, it's coming out of the poor people's pockets.
I've never seen a man shoot himself in the foot as many times as Obama has. Even his advisers should have caught this one. This one issue, has totally uncloaked who Barrack Obama truly is and his intentions to be served on our nations. It's socially appalling in concept to any reasonable American, regardless of party, to serve policy that siphons off money for the government, from money members of society who have chosen to contribute of their own free will and of their own fruits of labor to help the most downtrodden elements of our society. The impoverished, needy, poor, handicapped.
How COULD a liberal NOT SEE the total socially appalling nature of this "charitable deduction" Obama situation?! His choice in attacking charitable deductions that serve totally all that liberals believe in, goes against everything they believe in!
Hell, my best guess is that more than half of the charity organizations out there are actually owned and/or run by democrats, liberals for the same reason they are democrats. Their compassion for the disadvantaged in society. Which means their leader, Obama, is undermining their whole reason for being a democrat in the first place. Entitlements for the disadvantaged from their sense of compassion. This move of Obama's is just pure socially appalling for all Americans except the nut-bags. How could it not be. Robbing the poor??
Think about it! Aside from the obvious human support charities like Red Cross, American Way, Homeless shelters, battered wife shelters, battered children shelters, food banks, American Cancer Society, Fallen Heroes charities for families of killed military members, etc.
Think about the animal rights and conservation charities. SPCA, Greenpeace, PETA, Humane Society, ACLU, Sierra Club, legal defense funds, clean river charities, on and on and on. A lot of those charities are actually the personal pets of Obama's hardcore base. The far left.
The truth is that for Obama to start taxing Charitable deductions, siphoning off charity contributions to pay for his guaranteed to fail "jobs bill." He steps on the toes of every single American, poor, rich, all in between and politically far left to far right and all in between in their important areas of compassion for humans, animals, the earth. Not one American who gives a dollar to a charity, or receives a dollar of charity of ANY sort will be unaffected in the undermining of the cause they choose to support in charity. By the reduction of available charity funds in an economy where charities are already struggling to survive, through Obama siphoning tax funds off the top of the charity contributions to use to pay for his "jobs bill" which will go to jobs that benefit the unions and union members who support him. You really think a non-unionized private school teacher is going to have their job saved by Obama's jobs bill?
This is one issue where he negatively effects ALL of American society. By attacking the ONE place he should have never even allowed to be on the table. Americans giving from their hearts and sacrificing by choice of their hard earned fruits of labor to all things that make our lives better places in humanity and environment. Obama stealing from the poor, the handicapped, the sick, the disadvantaged, downtrodden, to give to the unions, his buddies.
If you allow your leader to create laws and policies that impugn, cripple and destroy charity organizations. You leave your people and society in a position of no place else to turn, but government. Which brings us back full circle to the core belief system that drives our leader and directs all of his policy, regulations and proposed bills. A core belief system of Socialism. No other explanation for choosing to create a policy to attack the funds of charities. When he has thousands of other options to use to raise funds for his same old, same old, stimulus package "jobs bill" to create jobs for his union buddies.
It's pathetic and actually quite heartbreaking watching the continual damage this "leader" inflicts on our lives and our worlds.
THINK ABOUT IT!
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